{"id":179,"date":"2017-08-21T17:02:11","date_gmt":"2017-08-21T17:02:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/?p=179"},"modified":"2017-08-21T17:02:11","modified_gmt":"2017-08-21T17:02:11","slug":"mother-of-dragons-vs-father-of-pedants","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/2017\/08\/21\/mother-of-dragons-vs-father-of-pedants\/","title":{"rendered":"Mother of Dragons vs Father of Pedants&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It seems a little churlish to criticise a programme for how realistic it\u2019s dragons are, and yet here we are&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>First of all let me say that I love <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hbo.com\/game-of-thrones\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Game of Thrones<\/a>. It\u2019s dramatic, exciting and funny and the whole production is so good that I\u2019ve even forgiven them for the under-use of the Sand Snakes. It also has something to offer those of us who are interested in teaching. I\u2019ve used it as a basis for some of my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tees.ac.uk\/Undergraduate_courses\/Crime_Scene_&amp;_Forensic_Science\/BSc_(Hons)_Forensic_Science.cfm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Forensic Medicine<\/a> lectures to explore the effects of trauma on the skeleton. And at the moment, I\u2019m enjoying the discussion by <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Boothicus\/status\/894649142252900353\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">archaeologists of the cave art<\/a> seen in the episode &#8216;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.hbo.com\/game-of-thrones\/episodes\/7\/64-64-the-spoils-of-war\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Spoils of War<\/a>&#8216;. And lets not forget the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/tv-and-radio\/tvandradioblog\/2014\/mar\/25\/teacher-punishes-students-with-game-of-thrones-spoilers\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">maths teacher who got his class to behave by threatening to reveal who died in the books<\/a>&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>But the dragons is where the story crosses over with <a href=\"http:\/\/tees.openrepository.com\/tees\/simple-search?filter_field_0=author&amp;filter_type_0=equals&amp;sort_by=dateissued&amp;order=DESC&amp;filter_value_0=Thompson,+T.+J.+U.+(Tim)\">my research<\/a>, and so I feel that I\u2019m allowed (expected!) to comment. In recent episodes we finally got to see a dragon go, well, full dragon. People got torched, carriages got blown up, and smoldering carnage lay strewn across the battlefield. It\u2019s all good fun, but following this and previous scenes in GoT featuring the dragons and also following other films containing dragons (such as the Harry Potter entry, &#8216;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0330373\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Goblet of Fire<\/a>&#8216;) people have asked me just what would happen to a body if a dragon attacked.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_187\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-187\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/files\/2017\/08\/20170816_111710-e1503333324176.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-187\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/files\/2017\/08\/20170816_111710-e1503333324176.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/files\/2017\/08\/20170816_111710-e1503333324176.jpeg 640w, https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/files\/2017\/08\/20170816_111710-e1503333324176-300x169.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-187\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The dragon at Alnwick Castle&#8230;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Previously I\u2019ve just been super-vague about it all, what with it all being made up. But now we have actual evidence! By which I mean fire-breathing action on the telly. I\u2019m not a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pottermore.com\/features\/magical-creatures-quiz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">magizoologist<\/a>, so can\u2019t comment on the dragon\u2019s anatomy, but in terms of the fire bit, here\u2019s my main thought: B+ could do better&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>The main issue for me is that the fire seems to do different things to people at different times in these episodes. Sometimes it makes people wander around on fire, sometimes it obliterates them to skeletons.\u00a0The body is actually quite resistant to fire, and certainly it can take a while for the tissues to be significantly damaged by the burning. Personally I don\u2019t like to think of these changes as destruction. This implies that the burned tissues have nothing to tell us, which is wrong. <em>Transformation<\/em> is a better term &#8211; pretty much all of the anthropological and biographical information that you can get from you and me, you can get from burned remains. It\u2019s just harder to access. Interesting stuff, but I\u2019m pretty sure that the Lannisters aren\u2019t too interested in a forensic operation following this fiery battle&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Work by the American forensic anthropologist <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/steven-a-symes-8a34108\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dr\u00a0Steve Symes<\/a> has shown that it is possible to use heat-induced changes to map which parts of the body were burned first and then examine how that spread across the rest. This is very useful when examining forensic cases, since such spatial relationships are important. Arguably less so when a gigantic dragon is flying around &#8211; cause of death is relatively straightforward there&#8230; Recent research by my own team here at <a href=\"http:\/\/tees.ac.uk\/\">Teesside<\/a> has demonstrated that the soft tissues act as a buffer to the skeleton at low temperature, but as a fuel at higher temperatures. In GoT we are dealing with the latter, so would expect the soft tissues to intensify the burning process.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, in the aftermath of the fighting we see several burned skeletons on the battlefield &#8211; despite the heat of the fire, we know that burning (even at high temperatures) does not cause a body to turn into ash. Even in modern crematoria, burned skeletons are still\u00a0largely intact and require additional processing (using a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/cremulator\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cremulator<\/a>) to convert them into the powder that families receive. Unfortunately this good work on scientific accuracy is undone when Jaime blows on one body and watches it turn to dust. In actual fact, as bone is burned at higher intensities it become weaker as porosity increases, but then becomes very strong as the inorganic crystal structure starts to changes. Bone crystals coalesce, pores are filled and the microscopic structure becomes better ordered. Bones burned at high temperatures are actually more like ceramic &#8211; and can\u2019t be blown apart, no matter how artistic it may look on screen.<\/p>\n<p class=\"x_p1\"><span class=\"x_s1\">For the pedant in me, it only gets worse. The burned skeletons were see here are brown. Bone can take on a brownish colour when burned, but only at lower temperatures. As the organic material (remember that bone is 30% organic and 70% inorganic) is lost, the bone becomes increasingly white. Some people use this relationship between heat and colour as a means of predicting the temperature of the fire, but it\u2019s actually more complicated than that since the loss of the organic component is also dependent on amount of soft tissue present, duration of burning, oxygen levels, and so on &#8211; so not just temperature.<span class=\"x_Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span>Further,\u00a0many of the victims that were effectively skeletalised were still in their armour. This makes for a powerful image, but again is unlikely. The high and consistent temperatures needed to burn away all evidence of the soft tissues would also affect the armour and clothing surrounding it.<\/p>\n<p>So what can explain this mis-match of burning damage to the body? Well, there are two possible conclusions: 1) the tantilising thought that the dragons can intentionally vary the temperature of their fire; or, 2) that the show-runners have inexplicably not read my papers on heat-induced change&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It seems a little churlish to criticise a programme for how realistic it\u2019s dragons are, and yet here we are&#8230; First of all let me say that I love Game of Thrones. It\u2019s dramatic, exciting and funny and the whole production is so good that I\u2019ve even forgiven them for the under-use of the Sand Snakes. It also has something to offer those of us who are interested in teaching. I\u2019ve used it as a basis for some of my Forensic Medicine lectures to explore&#8230;<span class=\"clearfix clearfix-post\"><\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/2017\/08\/21\/mother-of-dragons-vs-father-of-pedants\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue Reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">&#8220;Mother of Dragons vs Father of Pedants&#8230;&#8221;<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":144,"featured_media":183,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"footnotes":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[19,4],"tags":[8,37,38,39],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/files\/2017\/08\/episode-64-1024.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p5ogem-2T","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/144"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=179"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/183"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=179"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=179"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.tees.ac.uk\/tjuthompson\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=179"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}